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[Podcast] Weapon Retention with Chris Clifton – 85

This week I interviewed Chris Clifton from Defensive Concepts NC about weapon retention for the concealed carrier. We talk about what holsters are good and bad for retaining a pistol in a struggle, why it’s important, and then go through some simple techniques that you can use to retain the pistol.

The News:

In Episode 84, Ben mentioned that his M&P Pro 9mm was “boringly reliable”. On Saturday at his USPSA match, it was anything but… Here’s the link to the YouTube video, you’ll like it.

Listener Feedback:

We had a voicemail from Sean Sorrentino at NCGunBlog.com regarding the incident at The Pit BBQ, and the reaction from people on our side. He nails it.

Plug of the Week:

Ben plugs a business here in Raleigh called Triangle Cellular Repair. They fixed his phone, and in addition to that the owner is a like minded guy. If you, like us, like to give your money to businesses that are like minded, check them out.

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Editor/Head Honcho at Triangle Tactical. Lucas is a life long shooter and outdoorsman, avid concealed carrier and competitive shooter, and a lover of pork fat.

3 comments

  1. Some holster makers of the hybrids iwb design it to use the belt for most of the retention. They do this for a smooth draw. Once the belt is tightened, the retention is just right for the draw.

    The only issue with this is in a ground fight, as you pants / belt can shift. Lying on your back the firearms can slide out of the smooth kydex hybrid style. There is a maker in NC that does leather lined hybrids, and through practice I have found out these have more friction, which equals not as smooth of a draw, but also the increase friction and retention in a situation on your back, which is a good thing if your on your back..

    Gun retention outside the holster is very important. You asked for advice for the listeners, but you have to get hands on experience. Most important thing I can say before you get this hands on experience is to keep the gun close to the body when some is grabbing it, try not to extend the arms, keep it or try to pull it in close to the body while being aware of the muzzle. Use the leverage of your body with the firearm up against you (arms tucked), to back away, if needed turn and twist it away from the other person, instead of trying to muscle it away with arms extended. You get much better leverage this way. It’s may feel natural to extend a dangerous firearm from the body, but in a retention fight, this is not what you want to do.

    Chris mentioned the flapping issue with the IWB crossbread style, and trouble grabbing the firearm??? I have not had this issue on makers who combat cut iwb holsters, of any leather going over the gun. I will say the makers that use bridle leather,, that type leather is much thicker and stiffer than horsehide, so this is less likely to happen. Downside to bridle leather is the longer break in for comfort vs horsehide. I guess both have advantages and disadvantages.

  2. Just listened to you latest podcast. I wanted to tell you that you are fine loading Lead bullets at short OALs. It takes significantly less pressure to launch a lead round than a FMJ, so lowering the OAL and adjusting your powder drop down slightly is no problem with the Blue Bullets, since they are still lead. For example, I loaded commercially bought Lead bullets from Missouri Bullet Co. some time ago. They were so fat I had to load them at 1.070 to get them to chamber. I shot 2000 of them and they did just fine. You have a lot of wiggle room with lead. You just have to start at the low end of the load data and work up. If you look at the Lyman Cast bullet manuals, all their load data with 9mm bullets is set really low. In fact one of their 124gr bullets has an OAL of 1.05, and a Powder range for Unique starting at 4.4grs – 4.9grs.

    You would be right to be hesitant to not want to load FMJs at short OALs. They will spike your pressure up in a hurry.

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